Interview discussion with Bernard, Andrew & Andrea

Bernard: So what is the Decision?

Andrew: Well, ehm the point that we are looking at is the decision that I have to make for myself, which is a decision that I’ve never ever made which is actually Standing for something.

Bernard: So the ‘Decision’ = ‘What are you going to Participate in’- Because up to now you’ve only been an ‘Observer’, and to an extent you have then ‘Participated’ in your ‘Observations’ which was then Never ‘Real’ because, your ‘Observation’ is an Illusion, ‘Participating’ in the ‘Observation’ is an ‘attempt’ to make the Observation ‘Real’ - which can never be-

Andrew: you mean your observation is the thoughts.

Bernard: ‘Observation’ is ‘Everything that you ‘Believe’’-which includes Thoughts, includes all your Memories, all of the things you have given ‘Structural Design’ to, as a Definition of ‘your world’, is an ‘Observation’ because it is ‘Exclusively’-‘You’ and it ‘Excludes’ Everyone-else. So therefore it’s just an ‘Observation’, it’s Not a ‘Reality’, because ‘Reality’ includes ‘Everyone’ isn’t it? – that’s undeniable.

Andrew: Ya.

Bernard: Up to now you’ve only ‘Participated’ in your ‘Observation’, which means your whole Existence has been Not-‘Real’ - which is when you ‘Die’ what happens? You Die as an ‘Observation’- ‘Equal and One’ you become what? ‘Observably’: Nothing, because nothing ‘You did’ was ever ‘Real’.

Andrew: Ok.

Bernard: So your ‘Decision’ is simplistically whether you’re going to Participate ‘for Real’ -which means you have to ‘Include’ in your Reality ‘Everyone-else’, because that’s ‘Real’, they all ‘Exist’.

Andrew: Ya.

Bernard: Or are you going to ‘Only’ Participate in your ‘Observation’ which is ‘Self-Interest’ - which means you’re going to pay the ‘Interest’ for-that -which is like your ‘Money System’. I mean, have a look: ‘Interest’ eats-up Reality. That’s basically the ‘Decision’ Everybody is gonna make I mean, this ‘Decision’ is Exactly ‘the Same’ for Every-Single-Being in Existence.

Andrew: Ya.

Bernard: First of-all, you must Obviously be ‘Aware’ that, if you look in your ‘Observation’: You’re Not ‘Aware’ of ‘Everyone’.

Andrew: Ya.

Bernard: That’s a ‘Problem’, so therefore you can’t have an ‘Opinion’ or even any form of ‘Knowledge’ you can ‘Trust’ because, I mean: You’re Not ‘Aware’ of Anyone-else –You’re only ‘Aware’ of Your ‘Observable’ ‘Experience’ - and ‘that’ is Not-even ‘Real’ because that was ‘Pre-Programmed’ so that you have a ‘Functional-Way’ -of ‘Identifying’ with your ‘Observation’ within a form-of ‘Informational Knowledge’, which you then call ‘You’ - which means: the whole ‘You’ is Not-‘Real’.

Does that make sense?

Andrew: Ya.

Bernard: How do one then ‘Birth Yourself’ to be ‘Real’ as a ‘Real-Participant’ in Existence? What is the ‘Equality’ we are talking-about? We’re Not talking-about ‘Observation’- We’re Simply ‘Disregarding’ ‘Observation’, we’re talking-about ‘Real’ ‘Participation’ where ‘All’ is ‘Part’-of a ‘Single’ Solution =that’s ‘Oneness’ and ‘Equality’. The ‘Quality’ of-that ‘Participation’ for All is that ‘Everyone’ is got ‘Best’ for All –which means that’s ‘Quality’ of ‘Equality’.

That Obviously if one do the ‘Math’ for-that would mean that the ‘Only’-place where Everyone will have proper ‘Quality’ in ‘Equality’ is: where Everyone is ‘Participating’ As-‘Equals’ – within-‘that’ you cannot-be ‘Equal’ as long as you’re an ‘Observer’, because as an ‘Observer’= You’re Not-‘Real’ - as a ‘Participant’= You are Not-‘Skilled’, so you’re going to have- to Learn ‘How to Participate’. You’re-Not just going-to start Participating and suddenly ‘Know- it- all’ – What is ‘Real’ in ‘Reality’ -that’s gonna be a ‘Process’ – which is the ‘Process’ we talk-about - Does that make sense?

Andrew/Andrea: Ya.

Bernard: That’s ‘Desteni’ in a ‘nutshell’.
So- to ‘try’ and-‘find’ a ‘Reason’ to Make a ‘Decision’ is already an ‘Observation’= it’s already Not-‘Real’. It’s ‘Impossible’ thus to ‘Find the Reason’. A ‘Decision’ is Not-’Reason’ - A ‘Decision’ is an ‘Understanding’-of the ‘Context’-of ‘What is ‘Reality’’ and ‘What is ‘Illusion’’ – and that I’ve just Explained.

Andrea: Ya.

Bernard: Then the ‘Context’-of obviously ‘Where’ you ‘Place’-yourself within-that, is Simply a ‘Self-Honest’ ‘Decision’- You can either ‘Do’-it or You Can’t. Understand that ‘Reality’ ‘Supports’-you through ‘that’ of-you what is ‘Real’-which is Not Your-‘Thinking’, it is Not Your-‘Observation’ – it is Your-‘Physical’ within-which and ‘with’-which you have No-‘Communication’ currently -The ‘Only’ Communication you can have it currently, have ‘with’ Your Physical’ currently is ‘Pain’. It is a ‘Signal’-‘System’ that ‘Indicate’ to you – ‘Pain’ or ‘Discomfort’ that ‘Indicates’ to you: you have to look at-your ‘Participation’. And that ‘Pain’ is Not-something You ‘Observe’= it’s Fucking-‘Real’. The ‘Discomfort’ is Not-‘Something’ You ‘Observe’ = it ‘Overpowers’-you.

The ‘Resonance’ isn’t ‘Something’-that ‘You Observe’ = it ‘Happens’ to-you – It is ‘Real’.
What you are then ‘Experiencing’ is something you can’t ‘Direct’ because: it’s got ‘Power’ ‘over’-you – that’s ‘Real’. That’s why we use ‘that’-which is ‘Real’ to ‘Assist’ Everyone-with. Then obviously ‘How’ do you ‘Suppress’-it? You ‘Observe’-it, you make a ‘Value’-Judgment about-it and in-that, you ‘cycle’-it, so that you end-up in ‘Observer’-mode again and then, Never-take ‘Action’, so now it gets ‘worse’ – every ‘cycle’. This is been going-on for ‘Millions’ of-years.

So- back to ‘what’? The ‘Decision’ - I mean have a-look at the Fascinating thing: the World ‘Exist’ as ‘Systems’, ‘Systems’ that ‘Manage’ the ‘Interaction’-of People. That ‘Systems’ is ‘Real’– they are having an ‘Effect’ ‘On’-you and they have ‘Power’ ‘Over’-you = They are ‘Real’ because, you have to ‘Act’ ‘according’-to them in ‘Participation’- it’s Not an ‘Observation’. You Have No-‘Choice’ in-that.
The Question then is ‘Is these ‘Systems’- or ‘Are these ‘Systems’ that ‘Exist’ in this World ‘Managing’ the Relationships between the ‘Living Beings’ on this Planet, are they ‘Managing’ the ‘Relationships’ between People in-a ‘way’ that is ‘Equal for All’ and ‘Best for All’ – they are Not.

Andrea: No.

Bernard: So, Our ‘Participation’ is then in these ‘Systems’ to ‘Change’-them to ‘Equality’ and ‘Oneness’. ‘That’ you Cannot-‘Do’ as an ‘Observation’ or Using ‘Knowledge’ or, anything-else but: Having to ‘Actually’ ‘Participate’ in-them.

‘Desteni Farm’ is simply the Place where we ‘Train’ ‘Participants’ to go-back into the ‘System’ and to Start taking ‘Directive Principle’ of-them and bring some ‘Common Sense’ to ‘Reality’, so that what we end-up-with at this stage – over a very-long period of time – we end-up in a ‘Reality’ where Children can be ‘Born’-into and be ‘taken care’-of – that’s just one simple-point.

Now One must Decide whether One want to ‘Participate’ in something like that. The ‘Context’ of-that obviously is ‘Where’ and ‘How’. Within-that you have to Obviously look-at your ‘Effectiveness’ and ‘Potential’ as ‘Participant’ –‘How far’ are you going to-go? ‘How far are you ‘Willing’ to-go?’ – Which is ‘Self-Willed’ in getting this ‘Reality’ ‘sorted’-out.

What is the ‘Point’ of ‘Agreement ‘within-that? Only ‘one thing’: the Human have a ‘Peculiar’ ‘Condition’ that is ‘Real’: The Human requires Sex ‘Regularly’- the ‘Agreement’ is there to ‘Satisfy’ that Particular ‘Real-Reality’ without going-into a ‘Delusional’-point ‘about’-it - so that one can get ‘down’-to the other shit, which there is ‘many’-of that we have-to ‘Participate’-in and ‘Sorting’-out this ‘Reality’.

So, within-that one simply ‘place’-you in an ‘Agreement’ where you Focus-on getting the ‘Sex’-part ‘Sufficiently’ ‘Effective’ so-that you do Not have-to go-into ‘Observation’-Mode to ‘search’ for another ‘Point’ where you Believe you could have-it ‘Better’. As long as that ‘Observation’ Exist = Your ‘Agreement’ is Not-‘Real’- It’s that simple. Within-that, the ‘Agreement’ between Beings are to be ‘Self- Honest’ and State either ‘it works’ - that means ‘I am Satisfied’ or ‘I’m Not-Satisfied’ - and if one can’t get to ‘Satisfaction’, then simply the ‘Agreement’ should Not-‘Exist’. And just on that one ‘point’ all ‘Agreements’ will be ‘Managed’- Nothing-else is ‘Relevant’, because that one single-‘point’ will either ‘cause’-you to go-into ‘Observation’-Mode to ‘look’-for another ‘alternative’ or you’ll be ‘Satisfied’ - which means you can Focus on the shit you have to do, ‘Practically’, ‘Common-Sensically’ - Make sense?

Andrew: Ya.

Bernard: And therefore the ‘Decision’ becomes ‘Simplistic’. Many ‘Agreements’ will start and Not ‘Last’ because, once ‘Self-Honesty’ is ‘reached’, I mean the ‘Decision’ will either become: ‘Yes, We Walk’/ ‘No, We Don’t-Walk.’ If that doesn’t ‘Self-Honesty’ doesn’t come-through= the ‘Agreement’ will go into ‘War’, because there will be: ‘War’, a fighting-about ‘Dominance’.

What would be the ‘Point’? The ‘Point’s simplistically ‘attempting’-to ‘Change’ the ‘Physical’ - You can’t ‘Change the Physical’= You’ve already ‘Created’-it.

You have to now ‘Trust’ that the ‘Physical’ know what the fuck it’s doing, because why would-it have ‘Allowed’-you to come Here and apparently ‘fuck with Reality’ through ‘Observation’- Did you really ‘fuck with Reality’ or are you ‘Fucked’? You didn’t really ‘fuck with Reality’, you are ‘Really’ ‘Fucked’ in-‘Reality’. ‘Reality’ is much ‘more’ than what can-be ‘Observed’- and ‘Reality’ has got just Certain.... Obvious ‘Principles’. Those ‘Principles’ are: you want to be ‘Part’-of ‘Reality’ = You must ‘Realize’ ‘All’ the ‘Parts’ of ‘Reality’ in ‘Self-Honesty’ and, if you would like the ‘Ability’ to be-able to ‘Observe’ while you ‘Participate’, then your ‘Observation’ should Not-be in-‘Conflict’ with your ‘Participation’ – that means: ‘Equality’. And that ‘Equality’ should Include ‘Principally’ ‘All of Existence’- Not-just your ‘Observable’ Current ‘Reality’. And the ‘Principle’ is Very-‘Simple’ that: ‘Everywhere is Here’ - that means, ‘Who you are Here’ within your ‘Apparent’ ‘Limited-Reality’, determines ‘Who you are’ in ‘All-Parts’-of Existence in ‘All’ your ‘Participation’. Therefore, if you are Not-‘Consistent’ in Every-‘Here’ ‘Considering’ ‘All-Parts’ of ‘Reality’ = You can’t be ‘Trusted’ and therefore, will Not be ‘Allowed’ to Return-to ‘Reality’, you will remain in ‘Delusion’. Make sense?

Andrew/Andrea: Ya.

Bernard: Now the most ‘difficult’-thing is simply ‘The Decision’ – because that ‘Decision’ requires ‘Self-Honesty’ - and what is fascinating is-that, if one look-at your ‘Existence’-as something that is ‘broken-down’ into ‘Time’ and you take this ‘Time’ into the ‘Practical-Participation’ ‘Part’ of-it - which is Breath – then your ‘Existence’ consist out-of a certain amount of ‘Breaths’ and this ‘Breath’ of-you as-‘Real’ as you ‘Participate’, you want to be ‘Consistence’ so that you can ‘Trust’ Yourself and Focus-on what it is you’re Here to ‘Do’ and to Develop your ‘Skills’ ‘Sufficiently’ so that you can really ‘bring-forth’ a ‘System’ of ‘Equality for All’.

If you find these ‘Breaths’ Not-‘Consistent’, ‘Practical’ and you are ‘Influenced’ by your ‘Observation’, obviously there are tools like ‘Self-Forgiveness’, like ‘Self-Honesty’ and ‘Common Sense’ and obviously ‘Support’ from others to come and ‘Release’-yourself from your ‘Delusion’ and get-back to ‘Reality’, which is ‘Participating’-Here. Within this ‘Context’, Each-One is ‘Alone’, no one can in any-way ‘Decide’ for you what your ‘Participation’ must-‘be’ because, at the end of the day the ‘Design’-of ‘Reality’ is in such a way to give All the ‘Delusionists’ each an ‘Equal’-Opportunity to ‘Redeem’-themselves through ‘Participation’ - and they must do-that ‘Alone’ without help – otherwise they can Never Be ‘Real’.

Does that make sense?

Andrew: Ya.

Bernard: Really ‘Simplistic’. I mean, that is now the Total-Evolution over ‘how long’ – that we find ourselves here ‘Attempting’ to-‘Make Observation Real’. Now what is ‘Fascinating’ about-this is How has our ‘History’ Developed? Our ‘History’ is ‘Developed’-by those that is Here, ‘Observing’ then ‘Participating’ in the ‘Observation’, ‘Pretending’ in ‘Making-it ‘Real’ - you know, it’s like going to ‘War’- it’s an ‘Observation - then you ‘Participate’ in Your ‘Observation’, you make ‘War’, many ‘Die’, you come back and it ‘Disappears’ in-the ‘Annals of History’ - Was it ‘Real’?

Andrea: No.

Bernard: No, it wasn’t. You ‘Participated’-in ‘Observation’, you ‘Attempted’-to ‘Make-it ‘Real’’ but it wasn’t ‘lasting’ - same with ‘Agreements’: you ‘Observe’-something, you ‘Like’-something, but when you ‘Participate’ there is something that doesn’t want-to ’work’. Now, you either are Able to ‘Adjust’-yourself or you’re Not – It’s really ‘simplistic’-stuff.

You cannot make ‘Observation’ ‘Real’, it is ‘Impossible’ because, your ‘Observation’ will ‘Always’-be ‘Only’-about ‘Your Own Fear’ and ‘Your Own Self-Interest’. It ‘Never’ Considers ‘Everyone’ and you are ‘Always’ in a ‘Level of Scales’, that means: you are ‘Always’ either ‘Higher’ or ‘Lower’-than ‘someone’ according-to your ‘Observation’. I mean the ‘Participant’ doesn’t have a ‘Higher’ or a ‘Lower’ because, the ‘Participant’ in ‘Equality’ ‘Has-Everything’- There is No-‘Higher’ or ‘Lower’, there is Only-Obviously the ‘Point’ that: if you are Not ‘Yet’ ‘Everything’, you better ‘get your ass-there’ –

That makes sense?

Andrew/Andrea: Ya

Bernard: Really ‘Simplistic’.
So- Our ‘History’ that is taught to our children, are ‘Attempted’-‘Observations’ that were in ‘Self-Interest’- in ‘Self-Interest’ been ‘Attempted’-to make ‘Real’ and which is being ‘Controlled’-by a ‘Delusional’-‘System’ based on ‘Debt’ - because by Apparently ‘Observing’ Everyone to-‘Have’ some ‘flaw’, you’re Allowed to ‘Apparently’ ‘Place’-yourself in a ‘System’ where you can be ‘Better’ or ‘Worse’ and within-that, you are ‘Apparently’ ‘Evolving’ - There is No ‘Evolution’ taking-place.

There is Simply either ‘Delusion’ or ‘Reality’. Those that ‘Die’ within ‘Observation-Mode’ are rather ‘Diminished’. You cannot ‘Debate’ ‘Reality’ – ‘Reality’ Includes-‘Everything’ so there’s No-‘Debate’. ‘Observation’ obviously can be ‘Debated’ because you are ‘trying’-to ‘win’ and ‘trying’-to ‘Impress upon-others’ your ‘Observation’ as ‘More’-‘Real’ and ‘More’-‘True’ than somebody else’s - That is Not-‘True’ or ‘Truth’ or ‘Real’, or ‘Reality’ –simply ‘Madness’.

So, what is ‘Really’ the ‘Point’ of the ‘Decision’- like in this particular case-? It’s either you can ‘Walk’ within the ‘Principle’ of ‘Participation’ to find-‘ways’ to bring-about a ‘Change’ in the ‘System’ from ‘Delusion’ to ‘Reality which is ‘Best for All’. Within-that you are ‘Unequal’ as ‘Participants’ because you have ‘Different’ ‘Levels’-of ‘Experiences’ in ‘Different’-‘Fields’ and that will take-‘time’ to ‘Correct’.

Furthermore, you are within the ‘Context’-of Your-‘Past’ and the ‘Potential’ of Your-‘Future’ – both of-that will ‘play a role’ depending-on whether you have given your ‘Observations’ ‘Value’ or Not.

Then there is Obviously the ‘Common Sense’ ‘Part’-of ‘Where’ one will be Most-‘Effective’ and, if you would to be ‘Satisfied’-with Your Own ‘Participation’ if you do Not ‘reach’ your ‘Optimum’ ‘Participation’- ‘Potential’- ‘Practically’. Within-that obviously your ‘Decision’ is ‘much’-more ‘Difficult’ than ‘her Decision’ because, Remaining ‘Here’ you’re going-to have-to ‘Accept’ Certain ‘Limitations’.

‘Returning’ you will have much-more a ‘Responsibility’. You must ‘Decide’ whether you can ‘live’ with which-one you can Live ‘Practically’ - You have ‘No Say’ in-that, because...

Andrea: Ya.

Bernard: ...Nothing ‘you say’ can ‘Change’- the ‘Resonance’ will simply ‘take-over’.

Andrea: Ya.

Bernard: That’s ‘Simplistically’ the story.

Andrew: Ok.

Bernard: Make Sense?

Andrew: Ya.

Bernard: Within-that you have to ‘Act’ because: the longer you-‘wait’, the ‘longer’ it-‘takes’

Andrew: Ya.

Bernard: and the more your ‘Experiences’-of ‘Discomfort’ will ‘Escalate’ and take-you to a ‘Point’ where-you Eventually will ‘Act’ in ‘Anger’, ‘Destroying your Reality’ where you then Have-to ‘move’-on, you see that’s why ‘Anger’-Exist. ‘Anger’ is the ‘Tool’ that make-sure you ‘move’-on when you don’t ‘want’-to - does that make sense?

Therefore ‘Anger’ is Valid - It’s a ‘Real’ ‘Actual’ Experience.

Andrea: Ya.

Bernard: It makes-sure you ‘move’-on if you are Not-‘Effective’. If you are ‘Effective’ = You are ‘Satisfied with Yourself’, you will Never get ‘Angry’.

Make sense?

Andrew/Andrea: Ya.