Bernard Poolman and Darryl Thomas
17-Mar-10


So to ‘Believe’ you are ‘Enslaved’, implies ‘What’?

Darryl: Someone’s ‘Enslaving’- you or ‘something’.

Bernard: No, that you’re ‘Believing’-it –You don’t ‘know’ ‘that’ for a ‘Fact’- To ‘Claim’ that you ‘Know’ that ‘You’re ‘Enslaved’’, is the same as a ‘Belief’- because If You ‘know’ you are ‘Enslaved’, you’ll ‘Know’ ‘How’ to ‘get-out’ of-it – Then it’s no big ‘Problem’.

Darryl: Right.

Bernard: But as ‘long’-as you don’t know ‘how’ to ‘get-out’ of-it, and to ‘Solve’ the ‘Problem’, you’re still ‘Just’ ‘Believing’ You are ‘Enslaved’, you don’t ‘know’ ‘In-Fact’ ‘How’-it ‘Operates’- To have the ‘Experience’ of ‘Being Enslaved’ and being ‘Unable’ to ‘get-out’ of-it –meaning make a ‘Big-issue’ out of-it, like you will find with your ‘Conspiracy Theorists’ and so on, they make a ‘Big-Hu Ha’ about-it, that’s because: They don’t ‘Know’ ‘How’ to ‘get-out’ of-it, they have an ‘Idea’ they’re ‘Enslaved’, but they don’t ‘Know’ ‘How’ it ‘works’ ‘In-Fact’- and then, instead of Actually ‘Doing’ something about-it, they ‘Create’ a ‘Following’ -They Do Not ‘Act’ ‘In-Fact’- and they ‘Blame’-Others from the perspective of ‘Separation’- And instead-of ‘Pointing-out’ to Others, what is the ‘Problem’ and coming-up with a ‘Solution’ to ‘Solve the Problem’ to Stop the ‘Enslavement’- That Make Sense?

Darryl: yeah.

Bernard: Therefore, the ‘Desire’ for ‘Freedom’-Exist – because, from their ‘Perspective’, there is something-‘wrong’, something that they call ‘Enslavement’- but they also don’t Understand ‘Freedom’, because if you take that ‘Freedom’ and you ‘superimpose’-it on Everybody-else’s ‘Freedom’, then you have ‘Freedom-Equality’ that means, ‘Everyone’ ‘Equally-Free’- No One is ‘Free’ because you have a certain ‘Obligation’, you have a ‘Responsibility’- The ‘Moment’ you are ‘More’-‘Free’ than somebody else = that’s No-longer ‘Freedom’, then it is ‘Control’-The ‘Only’-way where ‘Freedom’ ‘Can’-Exist, is in ‘Equality’. Where ‘All’ is ‘Equally-Free’ in ‘All-Ways’- that’s Only-‘Possible’ in terms-of ‘How’ we are ‘Approaching’ ‘Equality’ to bring-about a ‘Total-Equality’ for ‘All-Life’ in ‘All-Ways’ in ‘All-Dimensions’.

From ‘that’-Perspective, ‘Everyone’ then is ‘Free’- but there is a ‘Responsibility’ that ‘goes’-with the ‘Freedom’ where one then also… The ‘Freedom’ You-‘Get’ is the ‘Freedom’ You-‘Give’- So there is an ‘Equal’… I mean there’s a ‘Reality’ of ‘Equality’ ‘Within’ the ‘Freedom’-

Darryl: What about the ‘perceived’ ‘lodses’ of ‘Freedom’ when ‘Equality’ is Considered?

Bernard: but ‘those’ ‘Perceived’ ‘Losses’-of ‘Freedom’’ was Never-‘Freedom’, that was where you had ‘Control’ over certain ‘parts’ of your ‘Life’ and therefore you had the ‘Freedom’ to ‘Abuse- That was Not-‘Freedom’, that’s ‘Freedom’ to ‘Abuse’.

Then you’re gonna-get ‘Freedom’ which is the ‘Freedom of Life’- and the Same-‘Freedom’ Exist for ‘Everyone’ because, If you would ‘like’ ‘Freedom of Abuse’ then you must remember you must ‘also’ give ‘Freedom of Abuse’ to ‘Others’, then you have the same-World you have now, where everything is ‘happening’-through ‘Competition’ and through-‘Abuse’- which is the ‘Freedom’ to ‘Abuse’- and because you don’t wanna ‘give-up’ your ‘Freedom of Abuse’= You don’t want to look-at ‘Equality’- I mean, you don’t ‘Mind’ being ‘Abused’, then you have the ‘Freedom’ to ‘Abuse’ and then…

‘Why’ this ‘Abuse’ gets so-‘Big’? Because One ‘try’ and ‘be’ ‘More’-‘Free’ than the ‘Other’, therefore ‘Abuse’-‘More’ because then your ‘Freedom of Abuse’ is ‘Bigger’- And You are ‘Better’ because: You could ‘Abuse’-‘Better’- Does that ‘Make sense’?

Darryl: They just see it as ‘Free Will’ –‘It’s my ‘Free Will’… for the ‘Pursuit of Happiness’, ‘My happiness’.

Bernard: What-‘is’ ‘Happiness’? ‘Happiness’ at the ‘Cost’ of ‘Another is Not-‘Happiness’. ‘Happiness’ at the ‘Cost’ of ‘Another’ is You ‘Abusing’-‘Another’, and you having the ‘Experience’-of ‘Happiness’ or the ‘Experience’-of ‘Fulfillment’ from somebody-else’s ‘Struggles’, ‘Hardship’, ‘Pain.

Darryl: It’s all Connected.

Bernard: It’s All ‘Connected’-

Darryl: The ‘Pleasure’ I get from going-to Wal-mart to get four pairs of underwear for three dollars is… caused set to the ‘Slave Labor Camp’ that ‘Produced’-it.

Bernard: Correct – But, because One is Not-‘Connected’, You are Not-‘Interconnected’ In-‘Fact’- You ‘Exist’-only within your Own ‘Reality’, where you are ‘Pursuing’ that ‘Reality’ to be one of ‘Happiness’, that ‘Reality’ to-be ‘Individualized’ Within that-‘Reality’ you have No-‘Consideration’ for ‘Where’ anything ‘comes-from’.

Darryl: There ‘Has’ to be a ‘Connection’ just because you’re ‘Buying’ something that was made some-place else.

Bernard: There is a ‘Connection’ ‘In-Fact’ but Not according-to ‘You’ within your ‘Reality’ that you have ‘Created’ for Yourself- Within your ‘Pursuit’-of ‘Happiness-Reality’ you are as ‘Happy’ as ‘can-come’- while the ‘Others’ are ‘Suffering’ as much-as ‘Possible’ – Because those ‘two-things’ are Not Directly ‘Connected’, you’re Not ‘going’-through when you’re ‘Touching’ your clothes you’re ‘Buying’, you’re Not-‘Seeing’ ‘How’ it’s ‘Created, You’re Not-‘Seeing’ the ‘Struggle’ that ‘People’ are ‘going-through’- You just ‘look’-at the ‘Prices’ and say ‘God! That is Cheap –it’s ‘Good Quality’, let me Buy-it’- And then you ‘moan’ the moment the ‘Price’ becomes ‘something’ that would have been ‘able’-to ‘Pay’ somebody else’s ‘Income’ as well, then you have a ‘Problem’ because, That is too ‘Expensive’-

Darryl: ‘I’m not as ‘Happy’’.

Bernard: Yes, now you’re No-longer ‘Happy’, you didn’t ‘get’, you didn’t ‘Score’ a ‘Bargain’, you didn’t get something for ‘Free’ to ‘emphasize’ your ‘Free-Will’- which is the whole-‘Point’ of ‘Consumerism’. So now you have certain-‘parts’ of the ‘World’ that ‘Exist’ within what they call ‘Freedom within Consumerism’ - where there’s a lot-of ‘Free’-Stuff which ‘emphasize’ their ‘Free-Will’ and therefore they say they’re the ‘Country’ that’s ‘The Most-‘Free’ on ‘Earth’’- but that’s Not-‘True: You’re the ‘Most-Enslaved’, America: ‘The Most-Enslaved’.

Darryl: Everything’s in Reverse. So, with our ‘Pursuit’ of ‘Happiness’ we’re just Actually ‘Pursuing’ our own ‘Un-fulfillment’ and… quiet desperation.

Bernard: the ‘Person’ that is in ‘Poverty’ has ‘more’ ‘Self-Reflective’ ‘Benefit’ from their ‘Existence’, than ‘those’ that has ‘Great-Wealth’ - Because the moment You-‘Have’ ‘Great-Wealth’, what happens? You immediately starts to ‘Fear’ you’re going-to ‘Lose’-it-and there Your ‘Fear’-‘Grows’- and you start to Not-‘Trust’ anyone ‘around’-you because ‘they might want your ‘Money’’- Obviously they want your ‘Money’, I mean, ‘How’ did you ‘get-it’? You ‘took’-it from Somebody-‘else’, they must ‘Take’-it from-‘You’, it’s Inevitable! It’s just slowly ‘creeping’-up where you don’t ‘Expect’-it. Wonderful!

Darryl: Yeah.

Bernard: To Be ‘Equal’ to Your-‘Freedom’ instead of have ‘Freedom’-‘Equal’ for ‘Everyone’: there Is a Big-‘Difference’-